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October 21, 2004

Polls, Again

You all know what I think about polls by now. While I'm not a professional statistician, I do work with statistics and have a fairly pronounced level of cynicism about how easily numbers can be manipulated.

My main beefs about political polls are these:

1. First and foremost, POLLS ARE NOT VOTES. At best, they are predictors. Fluctuating predictors at that. I get so annoyed at hearing, six, nine, or even twelve months before Election Day, that "your man is behind in the polls" as though that were significant in some way. It's not. It ain't over 'til it's over. Worrying about polls too far in advance of an election is like worrying about stock prices on a blue chip in your retirement portfolio: if you're not planning on selling, who cares? Unless there are serious indications that something is wrong, take a Zanax and chill. It's just market jitters.

2. And who is being polled anyway? Are they likely voters, registered voters, "certain to vote" voters? Did they even bother to vote in the last few elections? How do we know? Most of the time, they're not even registered voters. Why should I care about the opinions of people who can't be bothered to register?

3. Fake runoffs: were all the candidates included? Please don't leave off Ralph Nader. And spare me the ubiquitous "unnamed opponent" - he or she won't be on my ballot come November 2nd.

4. How was the poll question phrased? "Please tell me you're not stupid enough to vote for that incompetent moron, George Bush when we all know he was selected, not elected in 2000" is not an unbiased poll question.

5. Methodology/Sampling Bias- this is the hardest to assess: Have the numbers been 'massaged' in some way to account for real or perceived defects in the sample? Or worse, was the sample flawed in the first place? We assume the sample will be a unbiased one: in other words, that if the subjects were truly chosen randomly, their overall characteristics will reflect the general population. But this is often not the case due to sloppiness. A recent case in point was the Newsweek poll that touted a Kerry comeback.

Hindrocket at Power Line pointed out (Good Lord, I cannot believe I remembered this, much less found it...) that the before and after samples were skewed by party affiliation, thus biasing the conclusion that Kerry's numbers had surged (unless one assumed an unprecedented number of voters would cross party lines):

Reader Meg Kreikemeier points out that according to RealClearPolitics, Newsweek's most recent poll included 345 Republicans, 364 Democrats and 278 independents. This compares to Newsweek's published data for their most recent prior poll, which showed President Bush with a comfortable lead: 391 Republicans, 300 Democrats and 270 independents. Yes, if you drop 46 Republicans and add 64 Democrats, you will get considerably better results for the Democratic nominee. This is a good reminder of why poll data always need to be taken with a grain of salt, especially until you see the underlying data.

My reservations about polls out of the way, Daly Thoughts has a good analysis that's well worth reading on the latest Harris poll results. We're close enough to the election now that these things are getting more relevant and I thought this was a thoughtful and interesting analysis:

Using one definition of likely voters, those who are registered to vote and are “absolutely certain” to vote, the poll shows President Bush with a modest two-point lead (48% to 46%). Using this definition but excluding all those who were old enough to vote in 2000 but did not do so, President Bush has a commanding eight-point lead (51% to 43%). This second definition has proved more accurate in the past, but there are some indications that in this election many people who did not vote in 2000 will turn out to vote, in which case it would be wrong to exclude them.

Check it out - great post.

- Cassandra


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Many articles on poll results now give you the question. These voting polls are usually OK. Polls regarding policy issues, however, are much more likely to be biased in the questioning. Much like our debate over political quizes.

Posted by: KJ at Oct 21, 2004 10:23:06 AM

Cass, you're absolutely right.

I stopped with my stats degree at the Masters level, where the curriculum is still very generalized. It's most students first real exposure to what's actually going on, so it doesn't lend itself to specialization quickly. That being said, Survey Sampling was considered important enough to be given it's own class as opposed to being taught as part of another class. 15 weeks of how to ask, who to ask, how to make sure that your sample really is representative of your population. And that's just the masters level. Those that really want to do serious survey research will be spending quite a few classes doing nothing but learning how to properly conduct them. There are just so many places to screw up unintentionally, and even more places to do it intentionally if one really sits down and thinks about it.

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people the networks use to conduct their polls are people who remember a little something from their business stats coursework who had to go back and look up the formulas in their old textbooks.

The guys like Zogby and Gallop I don't worry about too much. They've done a pretty good job over the years and they haven't been wrong much. My problem there is much the same as yours. So much can change over time that polls 12, 9, 6, or even 3 months out are largely irrelevent as predictors. They are really only useful as directional tools to say whether or not your tactics are being effective. Of course, I would prefer a candidate be himself and tell me what he believes than one who tells me what he thinks I want to hear based on some poll.

The most disasterously wrong poll I can think of was the Dewey/Truman election. The polls were all calling the election a landslide for Dewey, but it turned out to be a landslide for Truman. At the time the polls had just starting using the telephone to conduct polls. The phone wasn't near as widespread as it is today. Who had them? Upper Middle class families and higher, the republican base! Is it any wonder the polls said Dewey would win?

But don't think that kind of mistake couldn't happen again. I don't think cell-phones are included in the call randomizers. What about all the people who no longer have home phones and only have cells? They tend to be yuppies. Young and Urban tend toward democratic, but Professional and Entreprenours (small business) tend to lean republican. How will they break, will they even vote? We'll find out election night!

Posted by: Masked Menace at Oct 21, 2004 11:27:43 AM

I hear the kids who watch Nickolodean have gone for Kerry. If that is the case, expect a lot of exceptionally short voters in the up for grabs states.

Posted by: RIslander at Oct 21, 2004 2:13:41 PM

Kids are favoring Kerry, huh, well I guess he'll be leaving them our of his healthcare proposal then.

Posted by: Masked Menace at Oct 21, 2004 5:21:42 PM

I don't know KJ - look how much the polls have changed over the last few months.

And we've seen an awful lot of "likely voter" polls, which IMHO are totally worthless. Who cares?

And "unnamed opponent" polls before Super Tuesday - again - Who cares? And leaving out Nader - worthless.

And the example with Powerline is what really worries me - the timing or method of delivery when they do these polls often biases the result so badly as to make them completely worthless.

Menace brought up a very good point: don't bother calling my cellphone - I won't answer. I don't give out the number and if I'm not expecting your call... it ain't happening. I own that baby for my convenience, not for yo-yo's to call me up and pester me.

I just bought a new purse last weekend and I had to laugh - it had one of those little compartments for a cell phone and I actually put my cell into it. Normally I don't even carry it because I find it too annoying. I don't wear a watch either. Well, I did sometimes when I still went in to the office. Sometimes. Not always.

I felt like a real grown-up with my little sunglasses in their compartment and my cellphone it its compartment and it only took me 45 years.

My friends all make fun of me, but I don't like all this folderal. I don't carry an address book either. Or a daytimer. It makes me feel like I'm in prison. And I manage just fine.

However did we live without all this junk?

Posted by: Cass at Oct 21, 2004 6:27:14 PM