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May 09, 2005
Forsake The Troops
"This website is proudly dedicated to the notion that our nation's military is grossly overcompensated, at the expense of the American taxpayers. Even as the evil, overspending Pentagon seeks to raise benefits for these scumbags, Forsake The Troops believes that these pukes get pay and benefits tax free when in a combat zone."
Verbatim prolog. I kid you not.
Here`s more:
"Our problem is this: the military is a lifestyle these morons chose. What idiot risks their life for a country? It's what they chose. Forsake our Troops! They must think that if they go to war, they don't need to pay taxes just like the rest of us. Let 'em die in combat-- we don't need their ilk! "
As if that wasn`t enough I read this:
"Forsake The Troops politely suggests a boycott of heavy metal group Metallica, due their obvious pro-military stance."
See for yourself. Forsake The Troops
Call them today and let them know how you feel, (315) 295-2602
I can`t express how I feel about this in words, not on this blog anyway. Let`s just say that, for Michael Crooks sake, I hope I never meet him in person, and let it go at that.
As a little note of irony, while I was building the air compressor shed at the nose hanger today, the song that kept running through my head was Metallica`s "Don`t Tread On Me".
H/T Mike The Marine
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At times like these I take comfort in the knowledge that the Tree of Liberty as strong branches from which to hang bastards like this..
Rope.. Tree.. Traitor..*
*Some assembly required.
Posted by: LarryConley at May 10, 2005 8:21:56 AM
I am sickened. This whining freak would be the first to ask for help if he was threatened. Hey - if you don't want to support the war that is one thing - not supporting our troops is cowardly. He is a cowardly scumbag. Unlike you Joat - I hope I do meet him someday. Larry-Conleys advice will be a handy resource.
Posted by: Dr. Harden Stuhl at May 10, 2005 8:53:32 PM
At first I thought it was some sort of joke site, but when I read that last line "Let em die in combat..." I decided that I didn`t care if it was a joke or not, these people are pussies and if I ever meet any them I would literally stomp a mud hole in their ass.
Posted by: Joatmoaf at May 10, 2005 10:08:08 PM
Nuts.
Now I've got to start listening to Metallica.
If you can stand to read further on this site without throwing up, you will see a disclaimer that announces it is NOT a joke site.
Don't stomp the disgusting subhuman little worm, though. You'd just have to throw your shoes away--you'd never be able to clean off the stench.
Posted by: MrsPurpleRaider at May 11, 2005 6:35:28 PM
Mike Crook Vogel-Delaney
http://forums.military.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/69719858/m/88700261713/p/2
http://web.archive.org/web/20020809082428/www.silentmike.net/writing/commentary.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20020809082035/www.silentmike.net/writing/army.html
http://www.bemyfriend.biz/profile.php?profile=5917&SID=4cafa72c36bf8c30502b09f5acfd0a9f
Posted by: Rangermom at May 12, 2005 10:19:13 AM
Lucky me, my browser refuses to display that page!
Oh GAWD, do I have to like Lars? I'm OK with James, but not Lars!
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at May 12, 2005 10:58:45 AM
Can we get a visual on the little worm?
Is this Mike Crook? http://www.armageddonproject.com/images/storypix/mike001.jpg
Girlie Man!
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at May 12, 2005 11:02:57 AM
I am currently in the US Marine Corps, stationed in Okinawa, Japan, and I got wind of this traitor's website from a friend, who was furious about it. By the time I got to it, it appeared the site had come down. But, from reading parts of interviews, and quotes from his site, I am joined with the rest of the REAL American people, in the idea that this "man" should have his freedom of speech revoked for abusing it. The nerve. I personally spent time in Kuwait during OEF and OIF, and luckily, I never had to go into Iraq, being that I am a communicator, and I was not required there. I say luckily, because I do know Marines who were in Fallujah, and I would not wish that on anyone. This Mike Crook knows nothing of the Military, or it's sacrifices. He would not last a day in my unit, and mine is nowhere near as hard as the infantry units that patrol the streets in Iraq on a daily basis. I have been in the Marine Corps for five years, and I only make around $1,600/month after taxes. So yes, I have benefits, and food and lodging are provided for me. But, I also dont have the option of quitting my job if i decide one day I don't like it anymore. I can't tell my boss where to stick it without going to jail, or at least losing a few ranks and a month's pay. And I have also spent the last year in a foreign country, away from everyone that I love. What this fool doesn't understand, is that we sacrifice our own freedoms in order to protect his. And he abuses us by insulting us? And "what idiot risks their life for a country?" If it weren't for those "idiots," he wouldn't have a country to live in. Thomas Jefferson said, "The tree of liberty must occasionally be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants!" Which category would this Crook fall under? I say Jefferson forgot one. The cowards. As "Mike the Marine" stated in his comment, for Crook's sake, it would be best if I never met him in person.
Posted by: Corporal Sean T McCoy at May 12, 2005 9:46:41 PM
Amen
Posted by: Joatmoaf at May 12, 2005 9:57:07 PM
""I am joined with the rest of the REAL American people, in the idea that this "man" should have his freedom of speech revoked for abusing it. ""
No.. one of the founding principles of this country is the right to say stupid things... on the other hand.. back then .. you could challenge someone to a duel for slandering you. The 'archtypical' Texan answer to this problem I think is best"
"Your honor.. after what he said he just needed an ass-wupping"
"Case dismissed"
Posted by: LarryConley at May 16, 2005 9:11:45 PM
Nice blog Joatmoaf. I, too, have a blog; a very progressive one.
http://educationalvignette.blogspot.com/
Posted by: howie at May 16, 2005 10:10:07 PM
Yes Howie, I knew that. It truely is a progressive blog and I hope that with you and Dean working together, you will be able to help shape the political landscape of the future.
Congradulations and good luck with your blog.
Posted by: Joatmoaf at May 17, 2005 12:47:59 PM
On Monday evening, the webmaster of Forsake The Troops was brutally assaulted by two men, thought to be members of the military, in response to their opinions about this website. Mr. Crook had been the target of numerous death threats and trespassers at his residence. All of these threats were saved and have been turned over to the authorities. UPDATE:
At 6:19pm Eastern time, Michael Crook died of his injuries, after being rushed by ambulance to the leading hospital in the area for head trauma. The two men who allegedly assaulted him are currently in the custody of police. Mr. Crook died with his wife and infant daughter present.
It is therefore the decision of his family, and associates that Forsake The Troops goes offline, to prevent further incidents of violence and threats against his family. Therefore, this domain will permanantly go offline at around 5pm Eastern time, on Tuesday, May 17th, 2005.
http://www.forsakethetroops.info /
But wait, the little farktard faked his death, and blamed the military!
http://www.michaelcrook.com/mikesweblog/
Mike is revived!
Submitted by mike on Tue, 2005-05-17 20:32.
Well, I suppose the cat's out of the bag, so....I'm not dead.
To those that sent heartfelt messages, and felt that this was a true story, I truly apologize. This situation quickly got out of hand, when national media outlets called looking for clarification.
I honestly thought people would shrug it off, and go on their merry way. I even got a kick out of the numerous hate messages from people, including an e-mail message from this numbnuts...
What a f*cking piece of human manure!
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at May 18, 2005 10:28:10 PM
I think the site goes WAY too far in making a few points that probably need to be made. Most importantly, the troops are not necessarily heroes or villains. They're just people doing a job. People get sick of having the flag shoved down their throat as catch-all excuse for anything the gov't chooses to do, and sites like these pop up.
I don't particularly appreciate the "sacrifice" of the troops either. They made a career choice that had some ups and some downs, just like I did. I have a brother in the Army, and he laughed when I suggested that he was fighting for my freedoms in Iraq. Which is good, because I admire honest people.
I can't stand veterans and military types who think they deserve a parade and a host of benefits at my expense, just because they made a career choice. I have lots of respect for military types who quietly serve with honor while realizing that a lot of the military is pretty big [DELETED] joke, just like any bureaucratic gov't service, and that killing people - even the enemy - is unfortunate (if neccessary). There is honor to be found in the military, of course. It is also often the equivalent one big gov't welfare program for both individuals and corporations.
The bottom line is that the military has the potential to attract both the best AND the worst America has to offer. Hawks and doves alike should recognize this and not write anybody a blank moral check simply because they chose to be an accountant, doctor, clerk, or soldier. As always, honesty and an ability to look at individuals without stereotypes or political filters behooves any rational person.
Posted by: Jeremy at May 20, 2005 3:19:53 PM
Wheter you appreciate their sacrafice or not isn`t up to you since it`s their sacrafice to make.
I appreciate it and so do many others and as individuals we Americans can`t pick and choose who we go to war with and for what reasons.
I didn`t like the way Clinton handled anything militarily when he was President but that doesn`t mean I thought any less of the men and women in uniform when they were forced to fix a problem in Yugoslavia that the Europeans refused to get involved in personally.
Our military isn`t our last line of defense, it`s our ONLY line of defense.
Mis-use of the military I blame on the Presidents, Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton come to mind, but the military itself is pretty much apolitical.
P.S. No cussing.
Posted by: Joatmoaf at May 20, 2005 5:45:20 PM
I just saw this person (and I use the term very loosely) on TV on Fox Cable News and heard what he had to say. At first I just wanted to rip out his lungs, then I realized I would just be doing what he wants - respond and react to his ignorant, ill-thought, non-sensicle, rediculous and stupid comments. This man is a coward. He would no more serve his family or friends, let alone his country (this country). He would indeed be the first one to call for military assistance if he felt the need. I wonder what his first, true thought was after Sept. 11, 2001 - I doubt even he knows. He is even completely unaware that the military preserves his right to be an complete moron and say the thoughtless, mean and cruel things he says about the military. He reminds me of Ward Churchill, the moronic professor who made the thoughtless and cruel comments about the civilians who were killed on Sept 11. I will just finish by saying that I am proud of every man and woman who serves in any capacity in the Armed Forces - one individiual cannot and should not make anyone with any common sense feel any other way.
Posted by: Cecelia Gramsky at May 20, 2005 10:41:33 PM
Ignore Mr. Crooke he is just an idiot in search of his 15 mins. of fame. Now the Jackass can go on and be forgotten.
Anita
Posted by: Anita Glover at May 21, 2005 3:09:09 AM
I think that whoever made this site is ignorant. How dare any of you sit there and read this, forgetting all the sacrifices that these men and women make for all of us. Even YOU, a person who criticizes everthing they do. They work for almost nothing, risking their lives every day for the sake of our freedom. They leave their families, fight in a far away place and you sit there, and call them scumbags. You tell them that the terrible pay they get is too much for all the unbelievably hard jobs they do. They, and the men and women who fought before them, are the reason that a person like you can make a site like this. I can't believe you would rather criticize them than thank them. I think that you need to stop and look at all the things that you can do in this country, that other people can't do, and this is because of them. You are a terrible and selfish person.
Posted by: Stephanie at May 21, 2005 10:27:58 AM
Hey check out the jack asses sight on military pay and bennifits makes it sound great as an army recruiter i have to say although i am sorry he was molested as a child i may show this part to some prospects thanks crook you stupid window licker
Posted by: SSG Mac at May 21, 2005 1:41:36 PM
Stephanie,
If most of that is directed at me then maybe you should read the post again. If it`s directed at Crook then call him up and let him know how you feel. That`s why I posted the number up there.
Posted by: Joatmoaf at May 21, 2005 2:30:11 PM
I agree that coming into the military was my choice, but, by no means do I hold myself above any other person, or expect special treatment. It's just that I know firsthand the sacrifices that that choice brings with it, and I don't appreciate being put down and belittled for it. Nor would any mother and father who got a knock on their door from a priest and a man in uniform, because their child died fighting for their country. Would any parent wish to feel that their child's death was for nothing? Yes, the military can attract the best and the worst in society, but good or bad, they all do the job. They all make a sacrifice. And alot of the "bad" people that come into the military are actually doing it to get away from the bad parts of their lives, and start a better life with a clean slate. I will be going home on May 31st, and ending my term in the Marine Corps. I doubt my mother would like to hear someone call me a scumbag, or say that my life for the past five years has been wasted. It is true, it is his right to say his peace, and that cannot be taken away from him. But I rank him right up there with the insensitive fools who spit in the faces of American service members returning from Vietnam. Most of them didn't want to be there, but they did their duty, and served their country honorably. To be spit upon by the very people that they had sworn to protect. It's insulting. "And that's all I have to say about that."
Posted by: Corporal Sean T McCoy at May 23, 2005 10:22:48 AM
I posted the exact same crap a year ago and I didn't get to meet Alan Colmes. If you ask me, this guy is some sort of right-wing stooge trying to make liberals look like drooling imbeciles.
Posted by: Liberal Larry at May 23, 2005 4:36:17 PM
Hey Larry, I am a Democrat...
Posted by: Drooling Imbecile at May 23, 2005 5:24:29 PM
Let us refresh the Tree of Liberty with Mike Cook's blood.
I wonder if he would say that about the welfare moms and deadbeat dads, or would he protect their right to sit on their butts?
I have a welfare family living next door to me. The girls each have a television in their bedrooms. They and their mother get their hair done every couple of weeks, and mom gets her nails done. To the tune of about 350 dollars. They have cell phones, decent cars. They routinely get their electric, gas and water cut off for non payment. Same with their phone.
The grandmother has a skanky little dog that she refuses to put on a leash, so some of the organic matter he has deposited on our lawn has gone right back to her front door.
The mother gets free pre school head start for her pre school age child. She gets food stamps. She smokes. Her mother is an alcoholic and the kicker is they are RENTING that house. They have asked my sons to mow their grass but tell them they can't pay them anything, not even gas money.
One by one, the cars have been repossessed and they are hollering foul over it. Like car ownership is a right?
They are mad because they have to go with state funded (taxpayer) services.
TELL ME ABOUT IT, MR. CROOK! Tell me how we should forsake the military and let the dregs of society and whiners like you have a place in the sun that you have neither earned or 'deserved' as a right.
Freakin' sphincter muscle.
Posted by: Cricket at May 24, 2005 3:46:26 PM
speaking of sphincter muscle...I've got a new nickname for Crook....Tenesmus. He is the medical condition that makes true Americans sick.
te•nes•mus
n.
A painful spasm of the anal sphincter accompanied by an urgent desire to evacuate the bowel or bladder and involuntary straining that results in the passing of little or no matter.
He doesnt deserve to be an American. God bless our troops. Semper Fi
Posted by: Semper Fi at May 24, 2005 6:34:07 PM
Just to let everybody know the Forsake the Troops website is back up and running again and his forums are back up. Time for me to fire up the billion or so proxies I have and play "how many times can he ban me again" before he takes it down :)
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, START YOUR ENGINES
Posted by: wolfen at May 24, 2005 7:07:27 PM
Heh. I will find a proxy and be a true lady.
I am so there...haven't snarked for nearly two years. It must be time again. First the Phrench and now the fifth column.
Posted by: Cricket at May 25, 2005 2:48:36 PM
Whether you appreciate their sacrafice or not isn`t up to you since it`s their sacrafice to make.
That's not exactly true since their sacrifice does require me to sacrifice quite a bit of my income in taxes, but whatever. I get your point. :-) Also, thanks for the thoughtful reply, Cpl. McCoy.
Finally I would suggest that those of you who choose to respond to people like this with threats of violence and ad hominem attacks don't represent your positions in the best light...
Posted by: Jeremy at May 25, 2005 3:24:17 PM
"That's not exactly true since their sacrifice does require me to sacrifice quite a bit of my income in taxes, but whatever. I get your point. :-)"
Splitting hairs there Jeremy.
Some of your tax money goes to the defense of this country and our national interests.
The difference of opinion lies in what is defined as our national interest.
A majority of Americans believe that the current conflicts are in our nations best interest.
A minority believe that they aren`t.
The people fighting these battles don`t have the luxurey picking and choosing which war is "worthy" or not.
They actually DO have to sacrafice.
I don`t know where this notion came from that being in the military is akin to being in a country club with the members having an all expenses paid vacation, but that isn`t reality.
I was in the military (many moons ago) and I work for it now.
Few things have changed from then to now. It`s a little more Lax now than it was and a major difference is that the people in todays military are a LOT smarter and better educated than they were then.
What hasn`t changed is the sub-standard living conditions, over work and under pay and the fact that these people are expected to possibly die when called to do so.
Consider the pay scale of an E-5 or 6 jet engine mechenic in the military compared with a civillian contractor doing the same job.
Compare a Grummman unionised employee on contract with a F-5 aggressor squadron with a Navy 2nd class.
The contractor punches in and out every day, he pulls his 8 hours and ONLY 8 hours unless he is approved to work overtime.
After work that`s it, until the next day.
No required training. No Port and Starboard duty.
No watches to stand. No quals. No 12 or 14 hour shifts to pull. If he need parts or equiptment it`s only a phone call and a FedEx away.
In addition, contractors almost always work out a deal where the Government pays housing allowances. Real housing, not barracks or base housing.
So who`s sacraficing? The Navy, Marine, Air Force or Army person who averages $3 an hour for a work day and still has to pay out of pocket money just to live in a normal house? Or the contractor making $30 an hour with medical, dental and Phrench benifits like free housing allowances?
Your tax dollars pay the contractor too, think about that.
As far as cost effectiveness is concerned the military is far cheaper than civillian contractors.
The military also can do the job with duct tape and safety wire where as a contractor "needs" precision Union recommended parts and materials.
To my way of thinking, military personnel DO make regular sacrafices. Real ones.
Contrast that with such Tax GivAways as the NEA.
I can mention a host of others but as far as the Best Deal For Your Dollar nothing compares to our military.
As far as Ad Hominem threats against M.Crook are concerned I think it`s exactly the kind of attention he seems to be craving.
Read these comments from Rangermoms post here:
http://forums.military.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/69719858/m/88700261713/p/2
Follow the thread and chain of events in Mr. Crook(?) Vogles(?) actions.
He`s not clueless and he`s not (too) stupid. Everything he does seems to be calculated to goad people to extreme reactions.
It doesn`t take a genius to know that if you poke a bear with a stick just to see what happens, you have no one to blame but yourself when it attacks you.
Mr. WhateverHisNameIs hasn`t figured out that childishly obvious fact yet.
Posted by: Joatmoaf at May 25, 2005 8:00:29 PM
I agree that this guy has no clue and nothing better to do with his time except to "poke a bear with a stick" for entertainment and see what happens. As a Marine for 16 years I have personally seen the worst parts of the world from Somalia to Iraq. I also am scheduled to return to Iraq next year. How dare this moron use the very freedoms we provide with our sacrifices against us. It's not just the military he's bashing either. He's also attacking the taxpaying public by saying, in no uncertain terms, that they are stupid. I am totally outraged and apalled that people like him exist. But, that's what makes this a free country. If he took the time to read the Declaration Of Independance and the Constitution Of The United States he might realize what he's doing is treason, but I seriously doubt it.
Semper Fi!
Posted by: GySgt C. R. Evans USMC at May 26, 2005 5:07:56 AM
Um, hello???
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at May 26, 2005 5:46:50 PM
*creeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaak*
Good Evening :-)
Posted by: Dracula at May 26, 2005 5:53:04 PM
Hello.
Why no comments on your site Princess?
Posted by: Joatmoaf at May 26, 2005 10:24:48 PM
Well, most of the military personnel and supporters of have basically said it all...I think this guy signed his own death warrent by puttin himself on live TV on Hannity and Colmes. More so I think the mothers of military personnel are going to be out for him...I could see it now, a bunch of moms kickin this guy on the ground and beatin him with their purses...ha ha ha
Posted by: John at May 27, 2005 12:05:17 AM
Foresakethetroops.info seems to have folded.
Imagine that?!
God bless the US Armed Forces!
Michael
Posted by: Michael at May 27, 2005 11:11:08 AM
I saw your newscast and can only imagine what your poor mother must have felt when she saw you condeming our soldiers who give thier lives so that you can stay at home and have your freedome of speach. Wow, what views and morals were you raised up with child. Did you have a Christian upbringing. I don't have sons, but I can say that I am very proud that my daughters both by choice are married to MEN who willingly serve their country. You should only hope and pray you do not meet up with my sons-in-law, a MARINE STAFF SGT and an AIR FORCE SWAT COMMANDER. I am sure they would be able to gently change your views. I will pray for you that someday you will understand what it means to love your fellow man and country, or maybe you really are not a TRUE AMERICAN!
Posted by: Proud Mother at May 27, 2005 11:13:21 AM
I always wonder what would happen if we sent all the people/Crook opposed to [insert particular war here] to discuss calmly with the enemy -why the enemy should put down their weapons and join us in a chain of love? Their own misadventure maybe? What a load of "donkey droppings".You never send a rambling jackass to do a mans job.
If you ever saw the movie called "The Thing" - one of the funniest scenes [and philisophically frustrating] I ever saw was when everyone in the movie wanted to kill the monster and one scientist said we should try to talk to him in peace. Well, against the groups wishes the scientist approached the monster and was instantly killed - all the time mentioning "I come in peace and we are not your enemy.
Ha..ha..I always tear up with laughter when I think of it...again I say donkey droppings or jackass droppings if you prefer.
Why don't some people get what evil really is? Why do they prefer to coddle and cohabitate with the very thing that will eventually destroy them?
Who knows?
Anybody?
I can already hear the liberal loonies asking what gives you the right to determine what evil really is?
I guess maybe gassing your own people, torturing women and children,...blowing up the Twin towers?
The list goes on.....and on....
Evil is as evil does....Get it?
Well, people like Mr. Crooks and even myself will be judged in life by their actions. I think whatever your particlur mode of transportation to carry you into eternity is - Mr Crooks is obviously a backstreet driver. We all know how we feel about backseat drivers.
and jackasses.....
I prefer to sit in the frontseat.
PS. Did you ever wonder why Dimocrats have a jackass for a logo?
Posted by: Dr, Harden Stuhl at May 27, 2005 12:36:11 PM
Ah the good Doctor posts! I clicked on the link to the Ranger forums. Leave the weasel squeezer alone.
He has zits, married and divorced twice and lives in a concrete canyon. He couldn't make the cut and so has to whine. He disses Mormons because he was more than likely excommunicated for adultery.
And so it goes. He has an axe to grind because his victim status gives him credibility. Give him cyber cred by trashing him and you create a martyr. He is a punk who will soon go blind from all that self indulgence.
Posted by: Cricket at May 27, 2005 1:04:47 PM
Dr.Stuhl put`s it all in perspective and yes Cricket, I agree, he`s a pathetic little man who can`t deal with the failures in himself so he lashes out at all things that were important to him but that he failed at.
Read Princess Kimberley`s link above where Mr. Crook/Vogel tried to fake his own death and blame it on "men in uniform".
My "Poke the bear with a stick" analogy is accurate and possibly prophetic, because if he keeps up these kind of antics he WILL get swatted down. No doubt about it.
He IS free to say what he wants but he`s also free to get his ass kicked for being an idiot.
I would do it if he screeched that insanity at me. I`m not shy about it and I don`t care if my position shocks anyones tender sensibilities.
Not only do I not suffer fools glady, I`m known for not suffering them at all.
I don`t care how screwed up his life is, how pathetic he is, or what the "motivating factor" is in his stupid little campaign.
That`s all pointless now, he threw the Gauntlet down, so when someone takes up his challange I`ll have absolutely no sympaty for him in whatever happens.
He also seems to be unaware of the old adage, "be careful of what you ask for because you might just get it".
He`s purposely asking for trouble, so when it comes his little "innocent victim", scam just won`t cut it with too many people.
Posted by: Joatmoaf at May 27, 2005 3:16:12 PM
"A majority of Americans believe that the current conflicts are in our nations best interest.
A minority believe that they aren`t."
You make a good point - I'm not the biggest fan of democracy in the world.
On the point about poking a bear, you're free to react however you choose. I was just commenting that how you react reflects on you, and to consider that. It does speak well to the military's reputation that of those who commented here, those who did not identify themselves as military tended to level insults, attacks, and calls for brutality towards him, while most of those who identified as military tended to say "I don't agree but it's his right".
Posted by: Jeremy at May 27, 2005 3:33:24 PM
I wasn`t calling for a tar 'n feathering Jeremy. I also wasn`t asking people to hunt him down and bust him up.
I`m making the point that this guy is an idiot and that if he DOES keep doing these kinds of things then someone WILL eventually take it personally to the point of hunting him down and busting him up.
If he keeps making silly statements like that it`s inevitable that SOMEONE is going to take it personally.
When that happens I will have NO sympathy for Crook. None.
People are people whether they`re in the military or civilian life, and in certain situations some people can be relied on to react in certain ways. Not all, some.
If he were insulting and belittling the police (as a whole) in the same way he is doing the military, then eventually someone from the police sector of society would take it personally also.
It`s a fact of human nature and it`s a fact that Crook knows.
Unfortunatley for him he only seems to be aware of the NOTION of human nature, but he THINKS he knows it all.
He has no clue as to the "cause and effects" of such things and he has underestimated how seriously, some people view these insults.
So like a good little Know Nothing Knowitall he panics and just digs the whole deeper for himself.
As an example, about 15 years ago I dated a Psych major, (Yes, I hang my head in shame like a good conservative, but she was HOT) you couldn`t hold a normal conversation with her witout her trying to analyze EVERYTHING.
Finally I explained to her that just because she read some books by dead guys doesn`t mean she knew anything about PEOPLE. Not everything that happens was related to some deep psychological trauma.
I told her that she needs to actually get to KNOW people before she could ever UNDERSTAND people.
This guy is the same as her basically. He had an idea (and from all indications I`m almost POSITIVE it was nothing more than a scheme to meet girls) so he read some books to the point where he though he knew it all and then he picked a convenient target. Dissing the military is hip to an unwashed hippy chick and someone who`s sucessful at it can be a babe(?) magnet.
He mis-calculated badly and blundered all the way from there, but rather than just let it go he continues to pull these hairbrained scams and just digs himself in deeper.
Like I said before, he has a right to say whatever he wants, but there are consequences that might have to be paid for saying foolish things.
He has NO ONE to blame for anything that happens to him except himself over this.
He won`t be able to blame the government, he`s protected under the constitution.
He won`t be able to blame the military, they get this kind of flak on a constant basis and have learned to take it in stride.
No, it will be one INDIVIDUAL who will take this as a personal grudge and take it upon himself to exact revenge.
Like it or not, there it is.
When it happens, I won`t gloat about it (like I did when Bush slaughtered Kerry:) but I won`t shed any tears for him either.
I`m totally serious when I say that I believe this whole thing was started by Crook as nothing more than a way to meet girls. It just makes the whole thing THAT MUCH MORE pathetic.
Posted by: Joatmoaf at May 27, 2005 4:55:05 PM
want to know what i think of they idiot? ,check out my site.
http://politicalcurb.blogspot.com
I emailed mr.crook telling him everday people perserve his freedom,so a evil dictatar does not take it away.I read on a site the truth about this idiot,he wanted to join the millatary himself,tryed nermous times,but due to pychsial reasons he could not and instread of looking at himself ,he insults the troops.
Posted by: matthew at May 27, 2005 10:11:03 PM
Last night I was on this guys website, I was actually one of the very few allowed to post on his forums. It was pretty interesting, I was trying to get this guy to actually tell me his motives on why he wanted to cause such an uproar.
I had a similar thought process though, taking a look at the military and how they spend money it is pretty ridiculous. That is where he agreed with me, and I simply just said "Then why hate the troops?"...(no response)...then the site went down and I have yet to try and talk to him.
If you read this and see where I say that I agreed with what he had to say don't respond with "you should die" and what not because you obviously didn't read the whole post. I in NO WAY(!!!!!!!) believe in not supporting the troops. They are the reason we have everything we have, they are the reasons why america became free, so obviously anyone with common sense would not insult the men and women who risks their lives every day.
Basically all I agreed with him on is the spending of the military is so way out of control they don't even know what to do with it. I am basing this on my talks with 3 people who have had military experiences in 3 different decades, and it remains the same way. One who was one of my high school proffessors served in the 70's and early 80s. He would often (on rants about the military) mention that they spent ridiculous amounts on supplies because the government would give contracts to companies with out letting them bid to get the best price. This was true with what my father who served in the 80's and early 90's (did go to the gulf war) said. Then most recently a friend of my ex-girlfriends who served for the past 8 years actually had the most knowledge of it all. He was in charge of all of the supplies going in and out of a base on the KY/TN border until about 6 months ago. So when we are having men and women complain about not having supplies over in Iraq and having to ask their family and friends to send some materials, that is a problem. (this I read many times in local and national papers)
So I guess I am not agreeing with this guy because he said he wanted all military salaries to be lowered (I would not touch their pathetically low salaries), he wanted hazard pay taken away and if not have it be taxed(I wouldn't want that either), he wanted the servicemen/women to pay for their own benefits(It would actually be smarter to include this in their salary and have it taken out to show how much the health care is costing, but doesn't really matter because of how pathetically crappy the military doctors are), He wanted all bonuses taken away or not offered(Doesn't really make sense because then the military wouldn't be able to satisfy certain positions). The last thing he wanted was for all VA hospitals to be shut down and all veterans to have to pay for their own medical care(this can be reformed, too much detail would need to be put in which I have no energy for). So I guess we only agreed on reconstructing the way they handle purchasing and distributing their supplies which alone would save the tax payers billions of dollars. Billions of dollars can go to a cool thing called education...ha.
As for my claims about the medical care in the military, it comes from first hand knowledge. I was an ARMY brat, the medical field in the military may have changed since the early 90's but according to my ex's military friend it really hasn't.
Oh yeah before I forget, I was actually surfing and searching for info on this guy. Apparently (i think rangermom has a link to it) he does this type of foolery for publicity. He has said he was gay before to get attention and on one of the links he actually says he has a few more publicity stunts ready to go. He doesn't exactly have an unforgetable face to I am sure no one will ever put him on TV unless it is to laugh at him. His forsakethetroops.info and his SMIS hosting sites are both up for sale, so basically this was all a big huge scam and everyone played into it...so far. Hopefully no one buys the domain names from him, asking price $10,000
Posted by: Adam at May 27, 2005 10:36:09 PM
KY/TN Border = Ft.Campbell, Ky.
Home of the 101st Airborne.
Where I was born.
Posted by: Joatmoaf at May 27, 2005 10:56:42 PM
Okay - if your gonna do that...
Royal Air Force (RAF) Base Chicksands, Bedfordshire, England, UK ...
Joat - Click on my Name....I can't tell you what we did there...heheheheh
Posted by: Dr. Harden Stuhl at May 28, 2005 4:37:29 AM
Cool.
"The Fighting Chicks".
When I was On The Saratoga it`s motto was, "Invictus Gallus Gladiator" as you know, "Invincible Fighting Cock".
While the Chicksand motto seems obvious, I have no idea where the Sara motto came from.
Of course sailors being what they are, it was broken down to the most basic interpretation.
Posted by: Joatmoaf at May 28, 2005 10:29:24 AM
I have been to Ft Campbell many times. Nice.
I remember Chicksands as a kid.Being born there and all. One of the best places to grow up. Man is it beautiful over there. We ended up at Wiesbaden Germany years later.Spent most of my childhood there. In Wiesbaden,when I was quite young, I remember sneaking off and seeing "The Beatles Hard Day Night" seven times at the base exchange.I was gone so long that my parents thought I had meandered off base so the Military Police were looking for me. One of the MSGTs I knew found me and told me everybody was looking for me. He didn't want to upset me, so he sat and watched the last 20 minutes with me. I will never forget that. Military people are, kind, generous and yes even patriotic even with little kids. I will never forget that incident or time in my life. Especially that one - I couldn't sit down for a week...but I know all the words to "A Hard Days Night though"..Heheheheh.
**If you ever see the steps to the Base Hospital in Wiesbaden (Usually where they bring back the wounded soldiers and hold press conferences, (Jessica/Iraq/recent) etc,.. I would sit on those steps as a child and wait to see if I had a reaction to my allergy shots.Heh, Heh, I also left lots of gum on under the railing. Ironically
I have been there as an adult but for different reasons.No Gum this time.
Whatever branch of service - all is good.People/Families that serve are a special breed. Kudos to you and your family.
Cheers,
Harden
Posted by: Dr. Harden Stuhl at May 28, 2005 1:02:09 PM
Why no comments on my site? That's a good question! I was getting tired of deleting comments from irate muslim men, threatening to rape my ear... :/
I'll be turning them back on shortly.
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at May 28, 2005 6:08:11 PM
Rape your ear? I thoughy I`d heard them all.
No wonder they`re so angry all the time. If their wee wee is so tiny it can ony be used in an ear, that would cause a person to develop a massive inferiority complex.
That could also explain much of Michael Crooks anger.
Posted by: Joatmoaf at May 28, 2005 6:13:54 PM
i hope he dies
Posted by: America rocks at May 29, 2005 12:52:42 AM
I tell you what.give him to me and i will show him what years of good old fashioned nbc trainig has for him. THAT WOULD LEAVE HIM EVEN MORE FREAKISH THAN HE ALREADY LOOKS.
Posted by: NBCMARINE at May 29, 2005 12:16:45 PM
Poor Mr Crook...what an a**hole...
This clown is nothing but a first-class coward. His sorry ass only speaks English because REAL Americans died making sure he didn't grow up speaking German or Japanese.
Posted by: matinva at May 30, 2005 6:42:45 PM
"MIKEY" AKA "BUTT MONKEY" - I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD, DIDN'T YOU SAY SO? THEN NEXT THING I KNOW YOU ARE SELLING YOUR DOMAINS ON EBAY AND GETTING A PENNY BID (EVERYONE KNOWS YOUR SITES AREN'T WORTH TWO CENTS)AND EVEN LYING ABOUT SELLING THE SITES FOR 177.00. BRAGGING ABOUT AN ANNUAL INCOME UNDER 200.00 (THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY NEVER RECEIVED), AND SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE STUPID FOR ACCEPTING MILITARY PAY MAKES AS MUCH SENSE AS THE REST OF YOUR CRAP. PEOPLE IN THE MILITARY WOULD PROBABLY DO WHAT THEY DO FOR FREE OUT OF A SENSE OF HONOR, DUTY, LOYALTY AND MORALITY - THINGS YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO COMPREHENSION OF. IT DOES MAKE ME LAUGH THAT YOU ARE SO GREEDY AND YET DON'T HAVE TWO NICKELS TO RUB TOGETHER. YOU WERE KICKED OUT OF THE MILITARY FOR PSYCHIATRIC REASONS, SO YOU HATE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SMART ENOUGH TO SAVE US FROM YOU, AND PROTECT OUR COUNTRY FROM THE LIKES OF YOU. THANK GOD THEY WERE SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW YOU WOULD SHOOT YOUR FELLOW SOLDIERS IN THE BACK, THE WAY YOU DO VERBALLY AND IN WRITING NOW. I HESITATE TO POST HERE BECAUSE YOU CRAVE AND THRIVE ON ATTENTION - EVEN MORE THAN THE "RUNAWAY BRIDE" - IN FACT, MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE YOUR NEXT BRIDE. OR WAS SHE REALLY JUST YOU IN DRAG? WHEN YOU PUT UP A SITE CALLED FORSAKEWOMEN.COM, I'M SURE IT WILL BE BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN REJECTED BY A WOMAN AGAIN. YOU ARE A REJECT. YOU ARE A SOCIOPATH. YOU ARE WORTHLESS. YOU ARE UGLY - YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE DEAD - DID SOMEONE TELL YOU THAT AND THAT'S HOW YOU DREAMED UP FAKING YOUR DEATH FOR ATTENTION? YOU WILL DO ANYTHING FOR ATTENTION - AND THAT MAKES YOU DANGEROUS AND SCARY BESIDES UGLY. NO DOUBT WE WILL BE READING YOU ARE IN PRISON ONE DAY FOR DOING SOMETHING HORRIBLE TO ATTAIN NOTORITY. I WON'T GIVE YOU ANY IDEAS, BUT I CERTAINLY CAN GUESS WHAT WILL LAND YOU IN JAIL, YOU ARE SICK AND OUT OF CONTROL. WHY DON'T YOU CHECK YOURSELF INTO A MENTAL HOSPITAL BEFORE WE ALL SEE YOUR UGLY FACE ON THE NEWS AGAIN FOR SOME TERRIBLE CRIME YOU DID FOR ATTENTION? MAYBE YOU SHOULD LET THE GUY WHO OFFERED TO REARRANGE YOUR FACE ON ANOTHER SITE DO IT FOR YOU - FREE PLASTIC SURGERY WOULD BENEFIT YOU. I AM NO PSYCHIC BUT YOU ARE PREDICTABLE. YOU ARE A TEXTBOOK CASE. I CERTAINLY HOPE THE FBI AND YOUR LOCAL POLICE ARE WATCHING YOU, I AM SURE YOU HAVE AT LEAST DRAWN THAT KIND OF ATTENTION - SO DON'T YOU FORGET IT WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT DOING SOME OTHER STUPID THING TO ACHIEVE RECOGNITION. I HAVE A FEELING YOU WILL DO IT ANYWAY, BECAUSE YOU ARE SICK AND STUPID. I'M SURE THEY HAVE THAT FEELING TOO BECAUSE THEY AREN'T EVEN THOUGH YOU THINK YOU ARE SO SUPERIOR, YOU ARE VERY VERY VERY INFERIOR.
I WONDER WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR MOTHER, YOUR FATHER (THOUGH I GUESS YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE ONE SINCE YOU ARE A SICK BASTARD). I WONDER WHAT KIND OF MONSTERS CREATE A MONSTER LIKE YOU. I HOPE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SIBLINGS, SURELY YOUR PARENTS NO MATTER HOW SICK THEY ARE MUST HAVE REALIZED IT WAS TIME TO STOP PROCREATING ONCE THEY SAW YOU.
YOUR WIFE MUST BE THE TYPE THAT WRITES LOVE LETTERS TO SCOTT PETERSON IN PRISON, AND YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN SMARTER THAN TO BREED YOURSELF, I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR KIDS, BUT I'M SURE THEY WILL END UP IN THE STATE'S CUSTODY. MAYBE THEY WILL BE OKAY IF THEY GET AWAY FROM YOU AND ENVIRONMENT WINS OVER YOUR SCREWED UP GENES. I THINK YOUR WIFE AND KIDS ARE PROBABLY AS FICTIONAL AS YOUR DEATH IF THE TRUTH WERE KNOWN. YOU SHOULD BE THE POSTER CHILD FOR THE "PRO-CHOICE" CROWD, EVEN I WOULD THINK YOU ARE A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR SOMETHING I AM OTHERWISE VERY MUCH AGAINST.
YOU ARE AN UNGRATEFUL, DISGRACEFUL, UGLY, STUPID, AND NASTY SCOURGE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. YOU REMIND ME OF BACTERIA. I'M SURE THIS POST MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD, WHICH IS TOO BAD, BUT I WRITE IT BECAUSE I HOPE IT MAKES SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE MILITARY FEEL GOOD TOO - THEY DESERVE TO FEEL GOOD, AND TO KNOW THEY ARE APPRECIATED, RESPECTED, AND HONORED, AND GET A LOT MORE RECOGNITION THAN YOU DO BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE, INTELLIGENT, HEROES THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT UP WITH SHIT LIKE YOUR WEBSITES - AND YOU. THEY ARE THE OPPOSITE OF YOU IN EVERY WAY. GOD BLESS THE MEN AND WOMEN SERVING AND THAT HAVE SERVED AND THAT WILL SERVE OUR COUNTRY IN THE MILITARY. AND MAY GOD GIVE YOU WHAT YOU DESERVE (A SMALL CELL IN A MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON IN SOMEWHERE LIKE SIBERIA).
Posted by: URAJACKASS at May 31, 2005 12:46:49 AM
Maybe I should post that a few more times, to give the crook more ATTENTION and waste some of his web space.
I am sure you are for freedom of speech, right Crook? So however I choose to express myself here is fine with you, right crook? If I could PISS ON IT I would, that is the speech it deserves.
By the way, a sincere thank you to the military readers and posters here, and let me assure you that NO ONE in this country or in their right mind shares this IDIOT'S views. Any posts agreeing with his point of view are his own. God bless our troops, each and every one of you, and may He surround each one of you with an army of guardian angels.
EDITORS NOTE: I AM NOT MICHAEL CROOK.
Read the post BEFORE you insult me.
Joatmoaf = Me.
Michael Crook = Forsake The Troops.
See the difference?
Also NO CUSSING.
- Joatmoaf -
Posted by: URAJACKASS at May 31, 2005 1:05:34 AM
I bet he was picked on as a child. This guy needs to die.
Posted by: Crook sucks at May 31, 2005 8:30:10 PM
I'm glad forsake the troops was shut down before I even knew about it.
I'm retired military and things like that web site disgust me.
"Everyone has their right to their opinion and I will defend, to my death, their right to express that opinion, BUT, if they keep trying to express that opinion to me, I'm going to kick their a**"
Mr. Crook, go away.
Posted by: Steve at Jun 1, 2005 1:20:07 PM
People like Mike Crook could ruin the moral of Soldiers like myself. Could, but wont.It wont Because I know Im not fighting for him. In my eyes he's a traitor for misusing the rights we fight for. I fight for every American citizen that has ever sent a prayer up for a soldier, who has ever put up a flag in our honor, who has ever put a yellow ribbon out for our return, and for whoever enjoys the freedom that we protect and spread across the world. Mike Crook is probably right in one area. All Soldiers didn't join the military to protect the Country directly. We joined for the people we love. The people we love our Americans. We fight for their needs and their way of life. So in so many words, Soldiers do jont to protect the Country. So I guess Mike Crook was just wrong all the way. Every Soldiers personal reason is just a small piece that adds to the big picture. America. On the battle field is where true patronism takes place. Age.... doesn't matter, gender....doesn't matter, and get this, RACE.....doesn't matter. Mike Crook, I pray a family member of a fallen soldier doesn't seek revenge on you for celebrating the death of their Fathers, Mothers, Sons and Daughters.
Peace to All Americans. We're Coming Home =).
Posted by: SPC Dowd at Jun 2, 2005 12:55:41 AM
I am an IDIOT from the IP address above.
I typed a stupid comment here calling all troops useless cowards.
Of course I tied my hatred of the troops to the REAL reason I posted.
I HATE BUSH!!!
.......................................................................................................
Go home loser. You hate Bush. We know. Big deal. Now get over it and get over yourself LIGHTWEIGHT.
- Joatmoaf -
Posted by: 198.144.214.53 at Jun 2, 2005 4:39:49 PM
That's not even worth responding to.
What a moron. Don't feed the trolls.
Posted by: Cass at Jun 2, 2005 5:59:04 PM
I must have fixed it while you were posting Cass, I didn`t see your comment until after the fix.
I`m in Gainesville, so I haven`t been able to do much online stuff recently.
Posted by: Joatmoaf at Jun 2, 2005 6:12:58 PM
There are certain people that join the military that are scum, and they only join to get a steady paycheck or an education or because they think that maybe the military will help beat some sense into them. There are also some people who play the system financially and who make a killing on TDY's and family separation pay/hazard pay/flight pay etc. However, the overwhelming majority of military members are well disciplined, considerate men and women who don't love violence and war, they just know that there are times when it is the only solution. We most certainly did choose to join, and we made informed choices knowing that our lives could end violently, and the gov't knows this, which is why the benefits packages are in place, as a thank you to the families who loose members!
If this tool has a problem with our pay and benefits packages then he should take it up with his Congressman. His arguments would have a lot more credibility if he had not tried to join the army and failed, right now it seems as if he is simply yelling about "sour grapes" and trying to keep everyone else from reaching them because he couldn't do it himself.
I am a Senior Airman in the USAF, I make 1400 a month before taxes, I am in Korea right now, and am on the short list for either Afghanistan or Iraq depending on what AFPC decides. I make enough for being single, but I would still have joined if the pay was less because money had little or nothing to do with my desicion.
Mr Crook is allowed to say whatever he wishes, I just sincerely hope that his ideal world never comes about because if it does, America will not last more than a few years as it is today.
There are other military members with less self control than me, lets hope that this "fine young American" does not get his backside *personally edited* handed to him. Freedom of Speech does not mean Freedom from Consequence.
Posted by: Chris at Jun 7, 2005 11:52:51 PM
"Mr Crook is allowed to say whatever he wishes, I just sincerely hope that his ideal world never comes about because if it does, America will not last more than a few years as it is today." - Chris
Sadly, I think that is the whole idea.
Posted by: Masked Menace© at Jun 8, 2005 11:10:54 AM
Obviously he is doing this because he is in need of some cash. The winning bid is 500.00.
Unfortunately, contacting eBay only brings handwringing and whining...maybe some military personnel who sell on eBay could call for a boycott?
I sure as hell would.
Posted by: Cricket at Jun 9, 2005 3:29:04 PM
Michael Crook Update, over at the anti idiotarian rottweiler sit. (*WARNINING ADULT CONTENT*)...
[Sorry; I deleted the link due to the profanity in it, no offense]
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at Jun 14, 2005 7:09:37 PM
BTW, his wife needs to read that transcript!
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at Jun 14, 2005 7:10:50 PM
I have a video of the owner of this site getting chewed out on Fox News network. If anyone wants the video give me an email address. It's funny.
Posted by: Zach at Jun 19, 2005 5:26:40 PM
I do hope this little twirp finds his way into someone's crosshairs...
Posted by: David Mattheisen at Jun 27, 2005 4:15:39 PM
I don't like Mchael Crook. I have a video of him on Fox News. If anyone wants a copy give me an email.
Posted by: Zach at Jun 28, 2005 5:35:39 PM
Our military deserves more money, better conditions and better benefits. Without them you would have nothing! So remember that next time you cheer a soliders death you sorry pieces of dog shit. This is a free country and you are free to leave anytime. Go to canada with the rest of the losers, youll fit in!
Posted by: Ryker at Jun 29, 2005 8:48:36 PM
I just gotta chime in on this. First, I am very happy that Mr. Crook's website(s) have been closed...the .net and .info sites.
Second, I served in the US Military for 20 years, was over there for Gulf War I under Bush 41, and am proud to have been a part of what we accomplished then. People who have not actually been there to see the aftermath of the reason we were there to begin with will NEVER have the same perspective as those of us who witnessed it...and that's all I will say for now.
Yes, I made the choice to serve. I could have remained in the regular job force, but I wanted to do something different and learned to fly helicopters...a skill I still employ today as a civilian. I don't know anyone who has served that considers themselves better than anyone else (except for toads like Michael Crook), and most parades and such that military and former military members take part in are organized traditionally by the VFW or some organization like it. It has always been a national tradition for that, and I cannot think of ANY military member with whom I've served that EVER liked marching in parades!
Something Mr. Crook, and those who may be of like mind, seem to overlook is that military members pay taxes on their income ALSO! The exception to this IS when they are in combat, and that really isn't too much to be concerned with when you consider they are putting their lives on the line. And if the military is so incredibly overpaid, why then do many in the junior ranks qualify for financial assistance such as food stamps? I like what our Marine brother posted about not being able to quit his job or being able to tell his boss where to stick it without going to jail. Mr. Crook wouldn't be able to hack the military!
And I am totally insulted when someone refers to them as "war mongers" because I can guarantee that NONE of them really LIKE being out there where the lead and steel is flying. Nobody I have ever served with actually LIKES war.
After I first saw Michael Crook's interview on Fox News I was completely enraged. I stewed over it for a day or two but mostly I just couldn't believe someone would go on national television and say the things he did. Then I saw his website and was totally repulsed. But...now that I have also seen his blog site, I am convinced that Michael Crook hates EVERYONE! I have to wonder what it is that has made that young man so angry with the whole world.
I do not take being called a "moron" very well, however, but in the famous words of our mothers..."it takes one to know one!" Before long you will be able to see Michael Crook's picture in the dictionary by that word.
LarryC
Posted by: LarryC at Jun 30, 2005 5:51:06 AM
Well, it just goes to show that in american values, you can save em all hasselhoff. i have seen this type of person before in college before i joined the Marine Corps but apparently they werent dumb enough to produce a website. What i really enjoy is the fact i have matured as a person in the USMC and learned lots of things and seen many places including Iraq where i am currently deployed. Not mike crook or any of his impending doom seeking friends can fathom the fact that there are lots of people in the military that are former phreaks, crackers, and just plain psychos and he has made quite a silly mistake. I hope you sleep well, mikey! Semper Fi
Posted by: the glider at Jul 3, 2005 3:08:38 PM
hey im lindsey ok this site is not even worth my time to look at if u people would understand what my father and my family has to go through u stupid ignorant idiots cant even come close to what we deal with.my father has been in the navy for 18 years...ok..well he was in desert storm and operation freedom and many many more wars...i want you to tell me u have seen a person die you have seen someone try to shoot you from a miles way.we choose to defen our country because we believe we should have the right to be free and defend our democracy that most countries dont have...you ask why do we voluteer?because people like you dont have the courage or guts to go do it...all u do is voice your opinion which isnt heard and we are doing something.thats not bad....our military family is not rich we are actually getting low wage my mother who has works for herself gets more money.we get paid by the month not by the hour not by the week by the month.we cant go out of town very much its like once every so many years.you have no right to voice your ignorant opinions when we are defending them most of the time you cant debate them.think what u have to say and get you facts straight.
Posted by: military baby at Jul 5, 2005 12:49:45 PM
hey im lindsey ok this site is not even worth my time to look at if u people would understand what my father and my family has to go through u stupid ignorant idiots cant even come close to what we deal with.my father has been in the navy for 18 years...ok..well he was in desert storm and operation freedom and many many more wars...i want you to tell me u have seen a person die you have seen someone try to shoot you from a miles way.we choose to defen our country because we believe we should have the right to be free and defend our democracy that most countries dont have...you ask why do we voluteer?because people like you dont have the courage or guts to go do it...all u do is voice your opinion which isnt heard and we are doing something.thats not bad....our military family is not rich we are actually getting low wage my mother who has works for herself gets more money.we get paid by the month not by the hour not by the week by the month.we cant go out of town very much its like once every so many years.you have no right to voice your ignorant opinions when we are defending them most of the time you cant debate them.think what u have to say and get you facts straight.
Posted by: military baby at Jul 5, 2005 12:51:11 PM
o and michael crook we pay taxes just like the civilians so if your parents are in jail because they didnt pay taxes dont blame us blame them
Posted by: military baby at Jul 5, 2005 1:01:50 PM
Michael Crook is a peice of CRAP!!!!! I am a PROUD military wife, daughter, and sister. God Bless our Troops and theirs familys!!!!
Posted by: Jennifer at Jul 7, 2005 10:48:31 AM
Michael Crook is a peice of CRAP!!!!! I am a PROUD military wife, daughter, and sister. God Bless our Troops and theirs familys!!!!
Posted by: Jennifer at Jul 7, 2005 10:49:08 AM
Oh my! I just saw Hannity's interview with that Crook! He's gay! Did you see the footage? He's gay I tell ya... and his website has been taken over in order to distribute the video footage. Hehe.
Posted by: Marcus at Jul 15, 2005 7:44:40 AM
Oh my! I just saw Hannity's interview with that Crook! He's gay! Did you see the footage? He's gay I tell ya... and his website has been taken over in order to distribute the video footage. Hehe.
Posted by: Marcus at Jul 15, 2005 7:45:16 AM
Now what, if ANY, purpose dit this last post (by Mr. Hurtz) serve? If it is directed at Michael Crook, c'mon, man, don't stoop to his level of sophmorish behavior.
Posted by: LarryC at Jul 23, 2005 6:17:48 PM
Now what, if ANY, purpose did this last post (by Mr. Hurtz) serve? If it is directed at Michael Crook, c'mon, man, don't stoop to his level of sophmorish behavior.
Posted by: LarryC at Jul 23, 2005 6:18:23 PM
He won`t be back anytime soon, but his IP is 67.80.106.220
Posted by: Joatmoaf at Jul 24, 2005 11:13:00 AM
I'm busy whooping a$$ and chewing gum and I'm almost out of gum...where can i find this crook? You wanna forsake something? Well you'll forsake meeting me!
Posted by: mike at Jul 30, 2005 4:06:21 PM
I've served for the last 15 years and have been a crew chief on C-130's for the last 10 years.
I would love to take Michael Crook along for a ride on one of our airplanes while deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan, serving not only heroic soldiers and Marines on the front lines, but also the needy citizens of those countries. Then, he would get to see a bunch of "scumbags" helping humanity by bringing much needed supplies to their homelands after our aircrews have flown all damn night to get it there!
Then, on the return trip back to homebase, wait until he goes to sleep on the airplane,then sneak over and duct tape him to a pallet and airdrop his ass from 24,000 feet over Afghanistan.If he lives, he can live out the rest of his days over there so we would never hear of his stupidity and ignorance again!
God Bless the Marines, Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard, and anyone else serving for the benefit of not only Iraq and Afghanistan, but for those oppressed societies who will live a better life down the road. One things for sure, the people in those countries who are glad to have us there will always be greatful to those who served, not Michael Crook, the traitor!
Posted by: TSgt Thomas at Aug 4, 2005 12:45:34 AM
Michael Crook lives in Liverpool, very close to Fort Drum.
If you would like to visit him and exercise YOUR right to free speach, you can find him at:
10 candlelight circle, Apt E
Liverpool, NY.
Not tough to find with Google maps
Posted by: A confidant... at Aug 5, 2005 3:38:11 AM
My only question is why this fella decided to go on a show where he knew he would be asked biased, logical error filled, lines of questioning. It's like a terrorist pleading his case to a "right-wing NRA badge wearin'" audience.
This fella may have had a point but it would never come across with those two jokers calling the shots.
Posted by: drop_dead at Aug 6, 2005 3:25:01 PM
Biased, logical error filled lines of questioning?
Perhaps you could explain to us all, the circular logic in that question, because I`m not an idiot and it makes no sense to me.
Someone calls the troops idiots, fools, murderers and morons and it`s biased to ask them why they say that?
Or does that only apply when a Republican is in office? If that`s the case, get used to some biased questions because we`re in the Whitehouse to stay.
JEB in '08
Posted by: Joatmoaf at Aug 7, 2005 5:12:42 PM
This whole thing was a ridiculous hoax by a right-wing, white supremacist nutcake.
He's trying to make it more difficult for people who support the troops but are against the war to hear their voices heard.
Those of you who say you believe in American values and then call for this guy to be murdered are about as American as Saddam Hussein. One idiot says something you don't like, and you're about to throw 200 years of liberty out of the window. You're also REALLY stupid for falling for this attempt to turn democratic debate into the rule of the lynch mob.
Posted by: brianthesnail at Aug 29, 2005 2:20:28 PM
people who do not support the troops who protect service this country and everyone's rights and safety make me sick. you have your opinion and its your right but remember who protects those rights! my husband and tons others
Posted by: brandi at Aug 12, 2007 7:51:31 PM
