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August 24, 2004

KerryLied Rally in DC

UPDATE 9/13: Photos of Kerrylied rally here. Kathleen's Story here.

Synchronicity is a weird thing. Just after completing my last post, I received an email from Laura Armstrong, who wrote this back in March:

I'm the daughter of Lt. Col. Roger J. "Black Bart" Bartholomew, a First Air Cavalry rocket artillery helicopter pilot who was killed in Vietnam on Thanksgiving Day 1968, when I was eight years old. I'm a former journalist with a military newspaper, a U.S. Marine widow, and I am appalled at Mr. Kerry's latest assertions that our president "has reopened the wounds of Vietnam." For months, I've heard President Bush talking about the present, while Mr. Kerry and the media want to focus on the past. I think we need to see the whole picture.
Liberal critics of American foreign policy have claimed they "support the troops"--but they're obviously hoping we have short memories. Many of us will never forget the hundreds of lawyers they dispatched to Florida in 2000 to make sure military absentee ballots did not get counted (some sources say that two out of three military voices in Florida were never heard). That was after the Clinton administration initiated rules making it more difficult to vote on overseas military bases.
As the kid of a real war hero who did not come back, I'd like to comment not on Kerry's service, but his postservice activities. Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Mr. Kerry's organization of choice when he returned from his shortened tour of duty in Vietnam (and his springboard to fame), was known to me even as a child. The organization, while providing a place for angst-ridden vets to land after coming home, had an awful effect on those of us who lost our fathers.
It was bad enough to hear our dads criticized by those who hated the military, but to hear vets allege rampant war crimes and call their fellow soldiers evil before all the world really twisted the knife. Mr. Kerry led the way, proud in the company of Jane Fonda and others we believed had caused the deaths of good men. This group's testimony tarnished honorable actions. After taking the oath to preserve and protect, they grandstanded, throwing service awards in a show of defiance that diminished each sacrifice. Their stories dominated while the stories of thousands of honorable vets went untold. I don't hold it against them after so many years, but I'm dead sure I don't want their darling Kerry, the man who voted against funding our guys in Operation Iraqi Freedom, to be our next commander in chief.
In 2004, nothing is more important than continuing to protect America and fight terrorism. President Bush has led, not perfectly but earnestly. He has put much on the line to do what he believes is right. And he needs our continued support in the months to come.

After a long grieving period, Ms. Armstrong is now engaged to an active duty Marine. She has asked me to spread the word about a rally to be held on September 12th in Washington DC. Ms. Armstrong, B.G. Burkett, author of Stolen Valor, and Jim Warner (a former POW whose mother was used by Kerry and the VVAW as propaganda) will be speaking at the rally. You can learn more here.

John Kerry told the world we were war criminals who raped, tortured and murdered in Vietnam. Now, thirty-three years later, we will tell America the truth. Join us at the rally we call:
KERRY LIED . . . while good men died

A gathering of Vietnam veterans from across America

Where: Upper Senate Park, Washington, D.C. It is easy to get to, shady and pretty, with a great view of the Capitol dome in back of the speaker's platform.

When: Sunday, Sept 12, 2004 2:00-4:00 PM (EDT)

Why: To tell the truth about Vietnam veterans.
To counter the lies told about Vietnam veterans by John Kerry

Sounds like a great idea to me. Please help spread the word in any way you can - this is important. From Laura's email:

We REALLY need to get people to turn out in support of the Swift Vets and the anti-Kerry Vietnam vets. The media has been complicit in portraying any vet who speaks against Kerry as "fringe" and the Kerry people have continued to keep tabs on me (this Greg Kane [from VVAW] guy contacted me after my piece was published and told me my "shot across the bow had them all sweating" and they "didn't know how to deal with me"). The real story of this campaign is the many millions of vets and active duty guys who HATE this man. Civilians really have no idea, but should be made aware.

You can contribute at the KerryLied site even if you can't attend the rally.

- Cassandra

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Posted by: joatmoaf at Aug 24, 2004 8:57:25 PM

Oh to be in DC in September. . .

Posted by: jcrue at Aug 25, 2004 2:46:51 PM

I'm planning on attending. I'll take pictures and report back.

Posted by: Cassandra at Aug 25, 2004 2:59:15 PM

I'm another one that won't be there in person, my health and pocketbook don't allow the travel I'd hoped for in retirement. I shall be there in spirit. If anyone reading this happens upon Laura Armstrong while there, please do one thing for me. Take her hand, and hold it while you tell her that countless old men owe their lives to those gunship pilots. Thousands of children have their fathers because of men like her father.

Posted by: Peter at Aug 25, 2004 3:41:12 PM

Awesome! She should stand tall and proud of the representation of her father. It is citizens as he who don the mantle of military uniform and give the ultimate sacrifice so that others might retain their priceless freedoms.
Freedom is never free, and she is the resultant equation of that standard. Stand proud gal.

Posted by: mshyde at Aug 25, 2004 5:51:53 PM

I hope that her Dad and all the other good men who gave their lives are looking down on that day and know that we haven't forgotten what they did for us.

Posted by: Cassandra at Aug 25, 2004 6:15:28 PM

You should be ashamed of yourself speaking out about people who tried to end a war that should never have been fought. The same type of war that we are now fighting in Iraq. Is it not bad enough that so many good men and women suffered and died in Vietnam so many years ago and now you are condemning people like John Kerry and the Kennedy family who tried to end the killing. If it had not been for the assasination of Presedent Kennedy, we could have been out of Veitnam back in 1963 and all of those good people who gave their lives could have been spared. The people who you are condemning are the same people who would have spared all of those lives!

Posted by: Michael at Sep 12, 2004 4:42:11 PM

I doubt you will be back Michael so I will keep this short and sweet.

We went into Vietnam under Kennedy, which you conveniently overlook. Second, if it weren't for the anti-war protesters, the vietcong would have agreed to a surrender, but they knew if they held on long enough given the protests we would lose our will. So the protestors prolonged the war, leading to more deaths during the war, then to the extermination of millions after the war in Vietnam and Cambodia.

You won't get far with you history revision here.

Posted by: Pile On® at Sep 12, 2004 6:49:00 PM

Kerry's lies prolong the war and caused POWs to suffer. If they wanted to end the war, they should have told Johnson to quit running it and let the military do its job.

Next, while there is nothing wrong with free speech, there is something wrong with the way the left, the group that is aligning itself with compassion, treats people who disagree with them.

You have come here, stated your case and have gotten two reasonable responses. Were we to attempt that, we might have people hitting us and saying it was justified.

People were spitting on members of the military when they got back because of Kerry.
The Deomcratic Party of JFK is NOT the Democratic party HE knew.

Posted by: La Femme Crickita at Sep 12, 2004 7:18:48 PM


I saw something pretty neat today: the Senate lawn full of Vietnam vets who don't agree with your point of view one iota.

And one of the speakers said it best: John Kerry could have attacked the war without attacking the men and women - supposedly his "Band of Brothers" - who fought it.

The end doesn't justify the means. Kerry lied about what went on over there, and he hurt some of the finest men and women this country has ever seen. He's had 33 years since then to set the record straight, but he has not done so.

I for one will never, never forgive him for that.

Posted by: Cassandra at Sep 12, 2004 8:10:42 PM

Interestingly, at a recent reunion of my wife's family, I studiously avoided talking politics, as I knew that most of her family are staunch Democrats and viscerally (though not intellectually) oppose GWB. However, one of her cousins engaged me in conversation (knew my politics and we generally agree) along with an older cousin of my wife, who was a combat vet from Viet Nam (and has a plate in his head for the trouble and a lifetime disability, thank you), who spoke rather strongly and in graphic terms about what we should do to Motaqda el-Sadr and others (I refrain from using his graphic language here.... for the sake of the children), and his general opinion of Mr. Kerry (again, rather graphic and unfavorable).
Funny, ain't it.
A Viet Nam vet that doesn't share Michael Moore's opinions, or those of Oliver Stone, and Senator Kerry. Who woulda thunk it?
Every war is ugly, up close. There aren't any 'popular wars' or 'good wars'. There is precious little glory in murdering your fellow man. But sometimes you have to fight, under control, in a focused way, to resist a worse outcome (a million Cambodians slaughtered by the Khmer Rouge AFTER we left Viet Nam comes to mind), when the maniacs of self-sacrifice, nihilism and slaughter come to power. They are loose again in the world now. Fortunately, we have a lot of brave and honorable men and women who are doing the difficult work a long way from home, in Afganistan, Iraq and elsewhere, to keep a brushfire from spreading to set the whole world on fire.

Michael, thanks for your imbecile comments. They remind us of how much harder this struggle will be because of those who cloak themselves in their pious political self-righteousness and croak constantly about their 'rights' and 'ideals', yet eschew any responsibility for sustaining the life of this Republic.
Maybe you could get a guest shot on 'Hardball' and share your views with a wider audience.

Posted by: Don Brouhaha at Sep 12, 2004 10:56:08 PM

Rather than resond to Michael's idiocy I will simply post the reply that I sent today to an insensitive idiot who tried to suggest that Laura Armstrong should apologize to Kerry.

"As the son of one of the most decorated heroes of the Vietnam WAR I ask you once again, HOW DARE YOU suggest to Laura that she should apologize.

I have read the record of Kerry's testimony. I have read "The New Soldier" and I do not in any part agree with your designation that John Kerry was testifying on behalf of Laura's father.

Unless you were the child of a Vietnam War Veteran who experienced first hand the hatred and insensitivity of people like YOU who dared to attempt to attack the persons of our fathers, mothers, sisters, and brothers, you have no place to speak.

I speak from 30 years of pain. I speak from watching one of the most decorated helicopter pilots being called a "baby killer" by a well meaning school teacher while lying flat on his broken back carrying wounds earned for them and for you and your freedom of speech.

Laura and Carol and the others who spoke at the Rally on Sunday EARNED the right to be heard. THEIR PAIN IS REAL and is not some Republican attack against Kerry. JOHN KERRY and the others like him were not speaking for our fathers but rather were self-serving, pompous, arrogant individuals who LIED when they testified. They failed to make sure what they were saying was the truth and in attempting to fight national policy overseas they chose to focus on attacking the soldiers because they were the easiest target.

IF ANY APOLOGY IS OWED it is from John Kerry and his ilk to Laura, Carol, and yes even myself and my family.

John Kerry stated that the behaviors exhibited in the Winter Soldier Investigation were carried out "on a day to day basis" with the full knowledge of "all levels of command." This is a pretty broad and inclusive statement wouldn't you say? HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY THIS KIND OF FALSE ACCUSATION.

Until you have earned through pain the right to speak out on this matter. Until you or your loved one bears the scars that will never heal of either being called a rapist, an ear cutter, a baby killer, or a MURDERER. Until you and your loved ones bear the scars of seeing widows MOCKED openly because of their husbands sacrifice. Until you and your loved ones experience the on-going pain of seeing people openly reject your pain for political ends then YOU HAVE NO PLACE TO ASK FOR AN APOLOGY.

Indeed, if you have any human sensibility at all YOU will apologize directly to Laura for your insensitivity.


Proud to be
#3 Son of Snake

p.s. in case you think this is simply another Republican Attack I want to clarify my position. I voted for Ross Perot both times the option was available and I didn't get registered in time to vote last election. Currently I am Republican because I got tired of not being able to have a voice in the primaries and I intend to vote based upon my own opinion not any party line. My older brother is Democrat for the same reason and he doesn't like KERRY either since he had to more directly put up with the results of John Kerry's testimony. SO GET A GRIP THIS IS NOT A HARD CORE REPUBLICAN vs. DEMOCRAT ISSUE but is a VERY PERSONAL issue between many veterans and their families with the individuals who libeled them."

Posted by: mdcrandall at Sep 14, 2004 11:50:00 AM


I feel like a water pistol must when the tactical nukes are brought out :)

Thank you for your words. They express, more powerfully than anything I could ever say, the nature of this issue.

And for the record, let me say this: I don't feel 1/10th your pain, but I do know what it is to be angry at Kerry's deception. I will be registering as a Republican for the first time in my life (and I'm 45). I have voted both Democrat and Republican in the past, but to be honest before this election I had little interest in politics.

I didn't read the paper. I didn't watch the network news.

This election has galvanized me, and although I would probably support Bush no matter the opponent (have to be honest here), it is primarily opposition to Kerry that caused me to start blogging several months ago. I've spent countless hours researching his record, and what I've learned has unsettled me deeply.

I realize many people don't understand why I focus on the Vietnam issue so much, but they can't understand that it demonstrates, more clearly than any other single issue, the core reason I oppose Kerry's candidacy: his character.

A man who turns on his own, who lies or knowingly passes on the lies of others, is not fit to lead this country.

It's that simple.

It's fact that not one of Kerry's 150 Winter Soldiers was willing to testify under oath that what they said about atrocities in Vietnam was true. If in fact there were atrocities, they were duty bound to report them. That NOT ONE of them was willing speaks volumes.

It's undeniable fact that many of Kerry's Winter Soldiers turned out to be lying about their service: they were neither decorated, nor Vietnam vets. The very head of VVAW was lying about his service - he claimed to be an officer (he was a sergeant) who flew (he didn't) and was decorated for valor (he wasn't) in Vietnam (he never served in Vietnam).

It's undeniable fact that Kerry attended a meeting where VVAW plotted to kill 6 US Senators. Both the agenda minutes and FBI surveillance records place him there. As do 6 other witnesses.

In addition to the pain he's caused, he is either dishonest or criminally irresponsible. Neither qualifies him to be President.

Kerry has known this for over 30 years, yet he refuses to correct the record.

Posted by: Cassandra at Sep 14, 2004 12:21:56 PM

...and if Cass feels like a water pistol, well that leaves me not much more powerful than...oh say....a Cat sneeze.

I might just copy/increase font size/print that MDCrandall post and put it like in the back side window of my car for educational reading in parking lots and such. It would make an apropos lawn placard also., Next to a "Give Kerry the Swift Boot 04" or "Support Terrorism, Vote Kerry" bumpersticker.

Cass, I SO hope all your hard Kerry research labor covers a well merited brooooooad spectrum, beyond the "walls" of Jet Noise. There's a whole mess o' stupid that's gotta get knocked outta some people. Hopefully a majority of those people are willing to let TRUTH do so.
The MSM only makes the work more tedious with their unwillingness to let TRUTH prevail as it doesn't support their "agenda". However, truth still stands alone and the LameStreamMedia may not want to make it available for public consumption, but that still doesn't alter it's reality!

Posted by: CK Cat at Sep 14, 2004 2:48:46 PM